obama or mccain?

[Ozma_adam]

ok im am not here to change the minds of others, tell someone what to believe or be made fun of for improper grammer but to krispy i do not believe that your logic on gay marriage is even close to what may happen, society will not cease to excist because we allow someone to get married even if gays cannot marry they will still choose to be gay . also do not say that this is your religions beliefs because i myself am a mormon and our relgion says no such things on this matter. ok im done ranting and believe I ranted in a logical and mature way and expect your answer to be the same.

Guys, relax. Krispy has an oppinion just like we all do. I don't see an end to the abortion debate. I am personally against it; but, only because I'm not a big fan of killing my kids. You can do what you want to yours though. Gay marriage isn't something that really concerns me, it's PDA laws and Noise ordainance. I don't care if gays marry, I just don't wanna see a dude's hand down another dude's pants. I went to the mall to catch a movie and I saw a dude with his hand down a chick's pants, and I didn't wanna see that either. It's just something that I don't wanna see. To take another poll, within a poll... Who in here is gay? or who in here was aborted as a fetus? Has had an abortion? I think they're really the only ones that have a personal connection to these debates; therefore, should be the only ones offended by someone else's view of their oppinion. Tell me I'm full of crap, that's cool by me. The beauty of my mind is that I'm the only one that really has a say in what i keep there. In my own little world, there are no gay marriage or abortion debates. In my own little world, I am king and I have monkey butlers that fan me and feed me grapes. Anybody got a problem with that?

[krispy]

Originally Posted by trigeek5

that is lumping me with them. to me your views are to the right of what I believe. law made by man governs man. I can't say I agree with all the laws and non-existance of laws. But I do not believe that I have the right to rule over any one person because of my belief's. I also do not feel as though I have the right to debate the evils of a heavenly laws as you seem to have. There was a guy just like that who did that once. But we kicked his ass in world war 2. If we learned anything from that it was that radical viws, like bin ladens even. Lead to zealotous actions undertaken by weak minded people of blind faith.

Other's was meant to imply those that have posted similiar thoughts, I don't know or care if you have posted previous thoughts.

Also, I feel that I have the right to debate these things. However, where have I said anything about forcing my beliefs upon others. I haven't. And blind faith, I don't follow by blind faith. I think about it for myself after something has been said. Happens that I agree with the things I believe. Interesting concept.. eh..

Originally Posted by krispy

Also, I feel that I have the right to debate these things.

I didn't say that if you're not then you don't have the right to debate them. We're in America, brah. We all have the freedom of speech. It's beautiful. Debate on. People are just bound to hate on you for your beliefs if they don't believe the same.


Just had to post this to clear up my earlier rant. Not flamin' on Krispy.

[trigeek5]

Originally Posted by krispy

The church...... or the nation as a whole right now... the issues aren't just christian... they are issues to anyone and anywhere. Abortion = Murder - if anyone that is a proponent for abortion was well aborted, wouldn't that person then not be here to raise that vote....... Gay marriage also denies the existence of life to continue. From a human standpoint, why would I as a citizen want to allow these negative ideas to be legal in my nation.

People always fall to the notion that if it is done in the privacy of ones own home, then it can't hurt me.... thats a false notion.

this sure seems like you are trying to atleast vote these thing onto others. Neither should ever happen. Then we go back to illegal abortionists in back rooms. And I do not care about gay's getting married. that doesn't affect me or you. tell me who a gay marriage hurts you? I also agree with the things I believe. Apperntly you do not believe in free will though.

[krispy]

Originally Posted by trigeek5

this sure seems like you are trying to atleast vote these thing onto others. Neither should ever happen. Then we go back to illegal abortionists in back rooms. And I do not care about gay's getting married. that doesn't affect me or you. tell me who a gay marriage hurts you? I also agree with the things I believe. Apperntly you do not believe in free will though.

Wher do you get off (haha please don't tell me i don't need to know) by thinking I don't believe in free will. Everyone does have the right to do what they want. I understand that. But, I also believe, that what other's do, or don't do, directly affect, each other.

This world is a global world. What one country does, especially that of a country with high power, other nations seem to lead. Kinda just like in paintball. So and so, is so awesome, and they drink or smoke or do this and that, so little johny seems whomever do this and that and thinks its so cool... just a little parable and I"m tired as hell, been up a long time and had a long shift.

Also thanks to nine1nine, i believe, for pointing out it wasn't a flame.

oh i forgot to tel you how a gay marriage hurts me.....

Well, 25 years ago, persay, if gay marriage was legal, sure it wasn't, but still gay people existed. john and steve, or mary and susie hooked it up, therefore, not being able to produce offspring. Come to find out, that offspring, would have been in my age group, therefore, providing me with some friends, possibly a wife, and what not. But, as I already know, ya'll (well at least whoever decides to take it that way, (gotta clarify this crap so no one walks off offended)(wow a triple parentheses))) will take this as hogwash.

[krispy]

Originally Posted by Ozma_adam

ok im am not here to change the minds of others, tell someone what to believe or be made fun of for improper grammer but to krispy i do not believe that your logic on gay marriage is even close to what may happen, society will not cease to excist because we allow someone to get married even if gays cannot marry they will still choose to be gay . also do not say that this is your religions beliefs because i myself am a mormon and our relgion says no such things on this matter. ok im done ranting and believe I ranted in a logical and mature way and expect your answer to be the same.

Do you know your religion. God and the prophet (the church), is highly against gay marriage. I am totaly understandable of the fact that there are gay people, and yes, gay members. Although if they (or straight members for that fact) participate in any sexual actions, grounds for discipline or excommunication may take place.

Yea, I somewhat agree with you that society would not cease to exist completly, if gays were allowed to marry, since cohabitation and other acts are currently being done. But this is mainly due to the hetrosexual couples that continue to produce offspring.

[krispy]

Originally Posted by Nine1ONE

Who in here is gay?

Like anyone is going to be open about that...



or who in here was aborted as a fetus?


Well, no one............... hence they wouldn't be here.

Has had an abortion?

I do believe that abortions do have a place and a time for various reasons and circumstances. However, adults that do the act should be responsible for previous actions.

The beauty of my mind is that I'm the only one that really has a say in what i keep there. In my own little world, there are no gay marriage or abortion debates. In my own little world, I am king and I have monkey butlers that fan me and feed me grapes. Anybody got a problem with that?

Your dream world seems to good to be true........ I'd change the grapes to strawberries, and the monkey to an attractive woman, definatly not Monica Lewinsky.

My statements are the ones after the questions... go figure.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by krispy

Do you know your religion. God and the prophet (the church), is highly against gay marriage. I am totaly understandable of the fact that there are gay people, and yes, gay members. Although if they (or straight members for that fact) participate in any sexual actions, grounds for discipline or excommunication may take place.

Yea, I somewhat agree with you that society would not cease to exist completly, if gays were allowed to marry, since cohabitation and other acts are currently being done. But this is mainly due to the hetrosexual couples that continue to produce offspring.

alright 1 more post you guys can make fun of me all you want for "immature post" "lack of grammar" "being dumb"

But Chris you are dumb.

The church also sais
No rated R movies
No coffee
No cafine
No sex

Most of the kids and adults that attend LDS church's does that stuff.
And for you to say gay marige isnt right blow it out your ass if 1 person loves another person that let them get married and be happy and you can sit in your basement and right complaints to the president telling him that gay people are getting married.

[krispy]

Originally Posted by Braden

alright 1 more post you guys can make fun of me all you want for "immature post" "lack of grammar" "being dumb"

But Chris you are dumb.

The church also sais
No rated R movies
No coffee
No cafine
No sex

Most of the kids and adults that attend LDS church's does that stuff.
And for you to say gay marige isnt right blow it out your ass if 1 person loves another person that let them get married and be happy and you can sit in your basement and right complaints to the president telling him that gay people are getting married.

Thanks Braden... Love ya to.

So, because many kids and adults do it does that still make it ok? no
Does that mean they are following what they believe? no
Would/does following the little things such as those above provide a blessing to ones life? I believe so. For example, not having sex before marriage, prevents any consequence of having an unwanted child and then most likely a child without two parents. Coffee and cafeine are two addictive substances that people become addicted to and also known to cause health problems. Rated R movies, thats another area, and some R movies aren't as bad as some pg13 movies, but in general its for the content of the movie. Movies ful of swearing, violence, killing, may have negative effects on those that watch them. (yeah, you can hit me up for playin violent video games, such as halo, gears of war, and COD4) thats my weakness.

FYI, I don't have a basement.


Doesn't have much to do with my prior statement, just a paraphrased quote I recently read:

All men have liberty and possibly freedom, however, this freedom is due to the choices their liberty grants them. As liberty is the right to choose, yet, freedom is a possible result of those choices.