Gay marriage.....?

[Derek]

What will be next? Now gay marriage,, will then beastiality become ok, will joe be able to legally marry his horse if he sees fit? What other sick perversions will become legal and viewed as ok? Where will it stop? What costs will society pay?

Why do u care if someone marrys a horse? Get used to paying for things u don't want we do it now, its not gonna stop...Politicians like to spend other peoples money, if not this, they will spend it somewhere else. Id rather see it go to a gay american than some god damn iraqi or afgani.

As far as the heathcare system goes being strained that should be universal anyway there is no reason, when we are shelling out over a billion dollars a day for iraqi, every american can't have health coverage. Its bullshit, gay marriage is the least of our problems but they use it to distract u from more important things. And the religous lot falls for it every time.

[Chish]

well from what i have read I have concluded that franky is a pillow-biter. Just kidding

Originally Posted by trigeek5

ARMY OF FRANK!!!!

Woooooo!

[AF Guy]

Originally Posted by Derek

Why do u care if someone marrys a horse? Get used to paying for things u don't want we do it now, its not gonna stop...Politicians like to spend other peoples money, if not this, they will spend it somewhere else. Id rather see it go to a gay american than some god damn iraqi or afgani.

As far as the heathcare system goes being strained that should be universal anyway there is no reason, when we are shelling out over a billion dollars a day for iraqi, every american can't have health coverage. Its bullshit, gay marriage is the least of our problems but they use it to distract u from more important things. And the religous lot falls for it every time.

Where do I start.....


Ok, let's talk about the bestiality issue. The Supreme Court agreed AGAINST the argument for gay marriage when San Francisco's mayor broke the law by issuing licenses. One of their main arguments (besides the issue of it's never been done before in ANY society ANYTIME in the course of human history, even ones that don't practice Christianity) was that if gays can marry, then how about incestual marriages, polygamists, bestiality, and pedophiles? The "slippery slope" argument was argued and eventually helped defeat the San Francisco mayors license issue program. How right were the courts to argue the slippery slope? Take a look at news stories since that time: There have been pushes by groups wanting to legitimize EVERY one of the ideas listed above. Massachusetts allows gay marriages, but now has a docket full of other issues to contend with. Every single group listed above is now seeking the same rights and with the laws the way they were established by the courts (notice the people didn't vote to allow gay marriages in San Francisco or Massachusetts), they have a good shot. So in legal terms, Massachusetts will probably have to allow a person to marry their dog, sister, Jr. high kids, or multiple partners. Once they allow that (not if, but when according to the legal definitions set forth by the courts), Massachusetts will then have the distinction of being the first group of people in human history to allow these things.

Now what about the argument of live and let live, what I do in my bedroom is my business. You can make that argument in a society where these ideas are hidden, but not when it's very disturbing to a large portion of the citizenry. Smoking is outlawed almost everywhere, but it's my right. Guns aren't allowed to be carried openly or concealed in many places, but the second amendment gives me more legal backing than for gay marriages. Why can't I just invite a bunch of young girls to my home for a night of debauchery, it's my bedroom. Stealing is my right because I don't care what people think and I need the items more than the person who has it. How about murder, that's my right too because it doesn't matter what I do in my house. See how the slope can go down? As a society, there are boundaries that aren't crossed not because of biblical morality, but because as humans we have a innate ability to know what is right and wrong that crosses all societal and governmental borders. When Janet Jackson's nipple flashed across my screen during the Super Bowl, I was a VERY happy man! Janet could have stripped totally naked and I wouldn't have cared. HOWEVER, my 8 year old son was embarassed as well as my grandparents. If you or anyone else is going to put something out there that makes people uncomfortable IN PUBLIC, then find the place where you can do your thing without making a scene. That's my argument against homosexuality: Do it in your bedrooms, but don't push your agenda much like the argument that Christianity shouldn't be pushed anywhere.

How many well adjusted gay people are seen on TV today compared to those who argue against it? Watch every show on the three major networks that have a gay person and see how they are portrayed next to the person who doesn't like them and report back to me. Know of any gay people that are having problems in the media? I doubt it, they are all making good money, wearing nice clothes, and having the time of their lives. Now look for someone on TV with a moral background (not religious, but moral) and see how they are shown. Most are portrayed as unintelligent, backwoods idiots who just don't understand that being gay is alright. What is wrong with thinking that the act of homosexuality is wrong? NOTHING! I don't like the actions of homosexuals. However, as a person, I won't deny them the basic human principles of kindness and decency that I would give to anyone. Want to be gay? FINE! Enjoy yourself because you don't answer to me. Just don't push your agenda on me or my children and we'll be OK. You do your thing, I'll do mine!

Now on the the Iraqi's and Afghani's. Stay away from calling them names, most of them are very good people who are dirt poor yet will give you the shirt off their backs (Ok, there is a "triangle" in Iraq that doesn't like Americans, but the Kurds, Turks, and Shiite Arabs WANT the U.S. forces in Iraq). We need to look outside our borders when help is needed. Without stability in Iraq and the middle east, read this once and burn these words into your brain, THERE IS NO PEACE IN THE WORLD WHEN THE MIDDLE EAST IS AT WAR. The Middle East is the keystone to peace in the world. It's been that way since recorded history. Alexander the Great, Caesar, the Crusaders, Napoleon, the Ottoman's, Persians, and other empires all have found out the hard way. We need to stay there until the job is done and Iraq can fend for themselves. Look at Vietnam: we bugged out because Congress defunded the war effort and South Vietnam fell shortly thereafter. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and others would LOVE to own Iraq's oil. We need to stay to insure that Iraq is stable.

Ok, finally to government funded health care. The U.S. is a capitalistic society where the market laws of supply and demand are at work. Supply and demand keeps our prices low and supply high. If you don't believe me, look at some of the nations that have government funded health care. First of all, in order to get "free" health care, you will "pay" somewhere around 40% of your salary in taxes. That free thing doesn't sound so free anymore does it. As far as demand goes, if you get sick in Canada, you will wait for weeks for care. If you get sick in France, you may wait months for care. If you get sick in the U.S., you can be seen today. Yes, you are on your own here because we aren't socialist (by the way, how many socialist economies are doing well in the world today?). If you don't have health insurance, things can be tough. However, that is called an "opportunity cost" in economics. You can buy that nicer car, or you can purchase health insurance. You can work that crappy job without coverage, or get a better education and get a job that does offer health insurance. Can't get an education for whatever reason? Join the military and your spouse and children are covered. In our society, you have a right to fail just as much as you have a right to succeed. Green is color blind! it's not sexist, racist, against the aged, young or infirmed. If you have a marketable asset to provide a business, you will be paid well and provided benefits.

[OB1]

AF Guy~
You have stated the most intellegent and detailed post yet. Thank you. I share your views and opinions.
Thank you also for you willingness to serve our great country. God Bless you and your Family. I look up to, admire, and pray for our armed forces and president daily.

This thread should be closed now. Everyone has been able to put in their .02 and Chris should be able to sustain his paper.

[kragoth]

yes gay marriage is inevitable. Its not a matter of values, trust me the sanctity of marriage has been destroyed by shows like who wants to marry a millionaire/midget/average joe. Moreover religion doesnt play a role, not everyone interprets laws in the same religous context, so saying god ment for man to marry a woman is like saying man isnt ment to fly. WRONG we have planes! Possibility is an intent of god not regulation. Regardless gay people have the right to marry and its not the governments place to regulate it because they are gay. Unless you can come up with a SERIOUSLY valid reason it is an inevitable course.

[justaddwada]

I cant understand why people would ever be against gay marriage. My mind cannot process how a person could WANT a fellow human to be deprived of the basic right of marriage.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, "

-The Declaration of Independance

This is not an issue of religion or of personal feelings about the rights of gays. In America, gays have basic rights, and when the government passes laws to ban gay marriage, the government is taking away the rights of these Americans.

"The good neighbor looks beyond the external accidents and discerns those inner qualities that make all men human and, therefore, brothers."

-Martin Luther King Jr.

We are all equal, gay or straight, and every American has the right to pursue happiness. Cmon people, gay americans are not asking to be superior, all they want is equality. How can anyone say that they do not want fellow americans to have equal rights?

Do you guys seriously think that if your child sees a gay person on TV that your child will turn gay? If you believe that bullshit, then please, read no further, because your mind wont be able to comprehend anything I say. Do you think that if one family tree ends, that the world as a whole will suffer? There are over 6 billion people on our earth right now, and many of those people are suffering because there are just simply too many people.

I can't believe how many people in Utah believe that society is suffering from gays and gay rights.

Gays are not ruining society
bigots like Krispy are.

[roberto]

Just because your gay wadda. jk but way to bring back a 3 month old thread.

[justaddwada]

ok dog, go ahead and rip me apart for kicking up an old thread. i deserve it this time.

[ballslinger]

in the words of a truly great leader in the word
"How can one man look at another mans hairy ass and say i want some of that."-sam kinison (rip)

[roberto]

I was just messin with ya wada.