Ranking April 23rd....

wileyc143 · 04-27-2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allen Turner

Gregg,
I am sorry your guy was bunkered,
I am sorry he took 5 in the grill.
I am sorry you lost the game.
I am sorry his Lens cracked.

However that is NOT Ramping.
When you get bunkered with 5 shots in the Grill it hurts your body and your pride yes, but its not Automatically Ramping.

Nor is firing left handed Ramping. Two of my employees are faster left handed than right handed, depending on the marker.

You know what I will personally replace his Lens, just come get it here at the store

1 he was not bunkered
2 he was half way across the field

Bounce ramp thats fine I will still shoot you out playing the game fairly. I don't need to cheat to win. Red ask us what we thought and so that is exactly what I am going to give him, as everyone else is, OUR OPINION.

Sorry if anyones feelings are getting hurt here, I suggest you get over it as soon as possible.

Speed · 04-27-2005, 02:23 PM

Look i didn't even play but i was on the field all day and i watched from the sidelines and i don't know how the ref's didn't hear the ramping, the excuse that they are using that you can't hear them cause your on the field and to many guns are going off is complete bull, i have also reffed and its not that hard, sure you may not be able to hear someone across the field but that shouldn't matter as long as you have enough refs to watch both sides. i don't know how they couldn't notice it and yes some people are fast with their fingers, fast right and left, but i have a ramping board in my gun and it easy to tell when they fire three shots and suddenly its full auto, you can't tell me that you don't notice it, i've seen people shoot 15-18 bps easy but not in a consitent matter like ramping does. I only bring this up becasue as i was on the field i expected to get hit i knew it was gonna happen but when a player pops out of his bunker and pulls the trigger only once or twice but i get hit by him 6 times i don't consider that fast with your fingers, i had an advantage and watched him pull the trigger the ramping was horrible and some of the reffing was very very poor (not all only some) i agree with who ever said it earlier cory does need to do a better job at teaching. and yes i do agree with all of you about everything, everybody does need to stop bitchin because ramping or not you will get bonus balled, its a damn game get over it, (hence why i won't play on a team i hate drama:p ) but that is just my .10 cents,

TheDarkone · 04-27-2005, 02:39 PM

i agree......

FrontPlaya04 · 04-27-2005, 03:38 PM

BEST TOURNEY I HAVE ATTENDED! I loved it. there were some contraversies that messed us up yes. but they could have been prevented by us. I had a blast even though we didnt make it too far. but now we know what to work on. great venue! great field layouts! great grass! great teams! great playing! Good job allen this one rocked. And redz old school you guys ride hard and usu you guys rock. see you all at the next one! 😁

panic · 04-27-2005, 05:49 PM

Okay everyone I'm going to go over everyones arguements and put up my opinion. Hopefully someone will back me up.

-for those who keep saying to shut up about saying what I think about the reffing read this quote from Red

Quote:

For those of you who disagree with ozma, LET ME HAVE IT. Instead of having pent up feelings about me or the rest of the refs, let's hear it. The only way I am going to get better right now, is if I hear what I was doing wrong.

That's what I did. I didn't mean to be offensive to the refs or anyone else all I said was what I thought.

-Timmy I am not making excuses. I play people that ramp all the time, and I don't say I would have won if you weren't ramping. I am not making excuses. I have tried my best to say everything kindly. I am not afraid to get hit nor am I saying that the reason teams won was because of ramping all I said was watch the guns closely because it wasn't extremely hard to catch. Also Timmy I'm not trying to dis but how did you get a hold of the nppl robot.

-I do realize that people can shoot fast, but I know what ramping sounds like. It is consistantly fast meaning there is the same delay between shots. Even if you can rip 18 bps (which I highly doubt anyone on here can do) it will not be consistant there will be some skips.

Here is an example of ramping
l=1shot
-delay between shots
<=start and end of a sec
not ramping at 15 bps
<l--l--l-l---l-l-l--l---l--l-l---l--l---l--l>
ramping at 15 bps
<l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l--l>
Same speed, but one is consistant thats how you can tell if someone is ramping.

-Paul-

tubby · 04-27-2005, 05:56 PM

Just Wondering Allen, Are you going to have the paper where the teams sign off with the refs after every match at the next tournament? with all the complaints about reffin just thought you might do that or are you guys just not going to do that at all this season?

superman · 04-28-2005, 08:06 AM

i dont mean to rip on the refs, cause they did do a good job especially for being understaffed, and thats not anyones fault. i cant remember how many were on each field, but some things could have been prevented if there were more eyes. and Red, what field were you reffing and on what side? i cant remember where you were, or what you look like...
but anyways, yeah, good job everyone that participated. and stop complaining about the ramping. its not that big of a deal (as long as its not dwell)

panic · 04-28-2005, 08:27 AM

Look dude I don't mean to be offensive nor do I say ramping is evil and should be banned forever. The guy asked for advice and I said check for ramping guns thats all. Ramping is against the rules. Refs enforce the rules. So I told them to watch ramping because thats their job.

Allen Turner · 04-28-2005, 09:46 AM

Paul (Panic) & Timmy (Chris)

I will not let this get into a Flame war in this Thread. I deleted each of your last two posts. Sorry Kirspy (Kris) had to edit out the quote.

If you guys want to Trash Talk please take it into the The Trash Talk section and not on this thread... OK... Thanks...

Paul you have made your opinion known (repeatedly), Could you please stop arguing with evey one who disagrees with your opinion.

We now return to our regularly scheduled discusison....

Allen Turner · 04-28-2005, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubby

Just Wondering Allen, Are you going to have the paper where the teams sign off with the refs after every match at the next tournament? with all the complaints about reffin just thought you might do that or are you guys just not going to do that at all this season?

We probably will.. It takes allot of time, the refs have to run off field to get the captains attention, and the next game is delayed while they discuss any problems and get back on the field.

However signing the score sheet will NOT prevent any complaints.

The trick is seperating the legitimate feedback from the complaining, and then adjusting properly.

We probably will stating signing score sheets becuase that what the NPPL & XPSL do. One of the main goals of the UXPL is to prepare teams to compete at the next level.

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