BAD KARMA put your money where your mouth is!!!

[Derek]

So it has come to my attention that Bad Karma has been talking all kinds of trash since the Sppl. I have heard that the only reason we win is that we cheat and you guys could beat us if that wasn’t the case. Which cracks me up because in every encounter we have had with you guys were so terrible no one would need to cheat to beat you.

Its bad enough how you reffed us at the Sppl, but to talk trash when you were supposed to be impartial reffs is just sad. Don’t take in account that some of us have been playing tournaments for 20 years woods and speedball and we beat you on skill. To easy to claim that the only way a tournament player can win at "your game" is to cheat...well i have news for you i can grab 10 random tournament players from here and they can beat you and no they won't need to cheat to do it. Your game used to be ours before we moved to something new.

So le’s put all the trash talking aside, and make it real simple. Put your money where you mouth and come do it. Come earn the right to talk trash about us. Come show us your mad gun skills and teamwork. Come show me how your Woodsball team is so superior to my tournament players who by the way were playing woodsball long before you even picked up a marker.

I officially challenge you guys to come play us in two matches. We can have all of Desert Edge and Pale Rider reff us just to insure we don’t cheat to win. Hell lets get 50 reffs! Let’s play a Sppl game and then a airball game and just see how you guys do. If you win either I’ll help you talk trash about us.

My bet is that you will come up with some lame excuse and not do anything because we all know how this will end. Very, Badly for you.

So in closing, My advice to you is either show up or shut up. Pretty simple or are you all talk? Pretty easy to hide behind a reffs mask guys. For those guys that haven’t said anything I hope you get your guys in check before they talk anymore shit they cannot back up.


Derek Jones
Captain of Team Run

[trigeek5]

Derek,


I Want to play for you if they step up.

I do not think they will though. A lot of these type things are because the few on the team that think they are pro and not the true players.

Either way, I want in.

[cody21"peets"]

who is bad karma?

[speedyg55]

Drama in Utah paintball?!?!?! That's a first:rolleyes:

[Derek]

who is bad karma?

Exactly. They are nobody.

Derek, I really need to ask you a question ? you played the UXPL and yet you would not play the XPS. Do you have a problem with the XPS ?
I would like to help Utah paintball as I have many, many times yet you will not play WHY ???? What can we do to help ??? I would love to have you guys play ??

Originally Posted by speedyg55

Drama in Utah paintball?!?!?! That's a first:rolleyes:

No wonder we can't pull teams together for tournaments... All the drama with everyone makes people quit and people don't want to play.

It's killing Utah paintball and it suck. I'm not innocent either i've done more than my fair share of stupid shit in the Utah paintball scene but seriously how do we expect to pull teams together for local tournaments when this shit is going on ALL THE TIME!!!

We're killing ourselves guys and we all need to start thinking about what we do to each other

[Derek]

Derek, I really need to ask you a question ? you played the UXPL and yet you would not play the XPS. Do you have a problem with the XPS ?
I would like to help Utah paintball as I have many, many times yet you will not play WHY ???? What can we do to help ??? I would love to have you guys play ??

The last year of the uxpl i played only 2 events, we played sppls as well and wont be playing them anymore either. It came down to money and return for me. It just wasn't there so i began to focus on my Machine shop.

As for the Xps, to be honest there are some things that i do not like as it looks like it was designed to kill the uxpl (which was bad for utah) and create a place for tombstone players to play in their own events. For me its hard to support a event that places its own players or (strong ties to players) into these events. I expierenced this kinda stuff when i was with fury and i was always agaisnt that as it tends to create conflict and a bad expierence for me. Maybe i am wrong, i only have gone by what i have heard. And every event i have heard major complaints about reffing, not saying that whats true, just what i have heard, and that hasn't encouraged me much.

I haven't played the Xps, and i haven't said anything about it, I have heard good and bad, it really has for the most part just boiled down to time and money for me but since you asked i figured i'd answer your question with my honest opinion.

Hopefully now as Utahs only tournament series you guys continue to grow and improve your series, and maybe when i have more time we will give it a shot. PLease understand i am not trying to slander or bash you guys in any way just answered your question as straight forward as i can.

It's killing Utah paintball and it suck. I'm not innocent either i've done more than my fair share of stupid shit in the Utah paintball scene but seriously how do we expect to pull teams together for local tournaments when this shit is going on ALL THE TIME!!!

Agreed but im tired of being slandered by a team that simply is bitter because they cannot compete.

[roian11]

hi If they step up to the line and will play you guys I would love to come and ref. You know that I call everyone the same. I would love to see teams in state step up and challege and learn from the ones that have been there and know what is real.

Jan Graham

[Derek]

I would have no problem with that Jan...In fact id like to get both you and Pale rider there. That way nobody can cry farortism seeing that both of you had no problem penalising me when you needed to.

I want it to be fair.